427435
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C-Leigh Racing wrote:
Ok, the W24 & W25.5, what are those, class c van type chassis.
Man that dont leave us much choise looking for something used.
Momma said NO more 460 Fords after she spent over 6,000.00 trying to keep one running, so thats 1980s on up to 1999 of most models with 460s ruled out & now 2001 & up the WH chassis brake issues.
Neil
The W24 and W25.5 are the largest Workhorse chassis typically found under the 37-38' class A gassers. They use different brakes.
Just look for a MH on a 2000 or newer F53 chassis. There's lots of them out there with brakes that work (flushing the brake fluid every couple of years is still a good idea), a good engine, and a good tranny. They can be bought for probably $25,000 and up.
Mark
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Here is latest on my work horse brakes. Rivers RV called today and said its ready and cost to me will be 469.00 for replacing right front caliper and inspecting left rear which they say is ok. I will pick up and pay but am not happy. This is 2nd time I have had to take it in within 3 months for brake drag with calipers. If I am going to have to pay anyway, I will just replace the remaining calipers myself because I am certified mechanic with my own shop. I have found replacement calipers locally for 89.00 each or 105.00 each with pads. I will install myself and flush system and should be ok until or if a recall ever happens. Will submit bill to Workhorse for Rivers Rv charges and towing difference for mileage and driveshaft removal. I don't expect to be reimbursed because of the way I have been treated as a customer. This is my 2nd Workhorse chasis since 2004 but will be my last and I will be sure to let anyone looking to buy an RV know what transpired. I don't blame Rivers because they have to charge someone if Workhorse won't pay.
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dezertcamper
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Is it really fair to blame Workhorse for this problem? Maybe, maybe not. Should they take part of the responsibility? Probably. Or should we all be asking for Bosch's contact info and be demanding they give us info and be repaying for the repair costs?
Here is where the problem lies. Its not the shop that is doing the repairs fault. If they have to make a repair they want to get payed and we all understand that.
So then our first place we go is to Workhorse as we want them to cover the repair charges of a part that we all know is faulty, and Workhorse has been forced to issue a recall notice on. Workhorse seems to know as much as we do, or at least they are not saying anymore then we already know.
Now Workhorse is not going to want to cover any repair charges until Bosch comes out with a new caliper that had been approved by the DOT. Because any repairs that are being made now will only have to be repaired again, when the new calipers are issued. Because what is going to happen is at the time you new calipers are issued any previous cost to repair the old units will be billed back to Bosch as Workhorse is not going to pay for Bosch's defective product. Workhorse is going to feel they did nothing wrong, and cant afford to clean up Bosch's mess.
So now it all reverts back to Bosch and my understanding is until Bosch gets the new calipers approved and ready for distribution no one is going to want to take claim of this problem.
This whole deal reminds me about homes that were built in the 80's with the Quest plastic piping. This new way of plumbing homes was suppose to be the future of piping a home. It was quicker and cheaper as copper prices have shot threw the roof. Quest and other brands are very similar to what you have in your RV's. Well after a few years they found out that the pipe material and the fitting were cracking or leaking. All these home owners were calling their builders and demanding that they fix their homes. The problem is it was not the builders fault. They did not make the product that was failing and it was not an install issue. So now you have home owners screaming at the builder to fix a problem that the pipe company created. It took some time and a few lawsuits before all this was resolved.
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427435
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graddy0051 wrote: I have found replacement calipers locally for 89.00 each or 105.00 each with pads.
I'm a little curious as I'm helping a friend to look for a MH. I've warned him to avoid the problematic Workhorse chassis. Do these aftermarket calipers have phenolic or metal pistons? Are they in re-built Bosch castings or are the castings aftermarket also.
If metal, it wouldn't be unreasonable to buy a Workhorse chassis'd MH and just do a brake overhaul if the purchase price was cheap enough.
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427435
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dezertcamper wrote:
Now Workhorse is not going to want to cover any repair charges until Bosch comes out with a new caliper that had been approved by the DOT.
As a 40+ year member of SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers), I can tell you that the DOT doesn't approve things like this. It's up to Workhorse and Bosch to test and decide that they have good parts.
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bsinmich
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Why wouldn't you think Workhorse is responsible? If your new Cadillac needs a new alternator do you go to the Cadillac dealer or the a shop that sells Delco alternators? Workhorse is the builder/assembler of all the parts and the final responsible person.
2003 Newmar Mountain Aire, Workhorse W22, & 2002 PT Cruiser w/Remco lube pump, Falcon 5250, & US Gear Unified Tow Brake
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Tsalla Apopka
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Is this the same problem that Workhorse is setting up to do a Recall on? I think that just applies to front calipers and is due any day now?
Denny & Karen
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Tsalla Apopka wrote:Is this the same problem that Workhorse is setting up to do a Recall on? I think that just applies to front calipers and is due any day now?
Recall is on all 4 calipers. The front and rear as well as the pads are the same.
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othertonka
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graddy0051 wrote:Here is latest on my work horse brakes. Rivers RV called today and said its ready and cost to me will be 469.00 for replacing right front caliper and inspecting left rear which they say is ok. I will pick up and pay but am not happy. This is 2nd time I have had to take it in within 3 months for brake drag with calipers. If I am going to have to pay anyway, I will just replace the remaining calipers myself because I am certified mechanic with my own shop. I have found replacement calipers locally for 89.00 each or 105.00 each with pads. I will install myself and flush system and should be ok until or if a recall ever happens. Will submit bill to Workhorse for Rivers Rv charges and towing difference for mileage and driveshaft removal. I don't expect to be reimbursed because of the way I have been treated as a customer. This is my 2nd Workhorse chasis since 2004 but will be my last and I will be sure to let anyone looking to buy an RV know what transpired. I don't blame Rivers because they have to charge someone if Workhorse won't pay.
I would like to ask you if you would care to give a part number and/or brand name for the replacement calipers that you found? I have looked for some numbers and only found 4153269 on the caliper but csn find no reference on the internet that even comes close to what I found. I do respect the time you took to research and find replacement calipers and understand if you don't want to devulge this information. I do have one more outlet in a friend who is in the brake business and maybe he will know. By the way I have not had any brake problems as of now on my 2004 WH. I drive my MH at the minimum of every thirty days (it never sits longer then 30 days) and change and bleed the brake fluid every two years.
Othertonka
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graddy0051
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Yes, I found the Work horse replacement calipers online at Ryderfleetproducts.com. 4153269 is the casting #. Ryder says the matching part# w 16 sl55849. the price is $81.92. There also is a core charge of $54.00 each that is refunded after you send them your old calipers. This means that the replacement is a rebuilt unit with new pistons but I am sure they are phenolic. To me this is probably my best option to get me by until and if there is a recall. I would prefer to have replacement calipers with metal pistons but have not located any. Am still looking and if found will post info here.
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