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downtheroad

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Posted: 11/01/09 03:48pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Big NASCAR fan here....but - I'm starting to loose the love.
Ryan Newman's post CRASH interview was very interesting..He slammed nascar for:
  • restrictor plates
  • yellow line rules
  • no bump drafting rules

He says it is creating boring racing for the fans and drivers.
Not a good race today,


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downtheroad wrote:

Big NASCAR fan here....but - I'm starting to loose the love.
Ryan Newman's post CRASH interview was very interesting..He slammed nascar for:
  • restrictor plates
  • yellow line rules
  • no bump drafting rules

He says it is creating boring racing for the fans and drivers.
Not a good race today,



We were watching that race today and Ryan Newman's CRASH, and interview afterward. He really said it like it was, didn't he?!!

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They should have all just stayed lined up in the order they started and rode around. Fewer cars would have got damaged and no one would have got hurt. I guess that is what NASCAR wants. Pathetic!!! Don't get me wrong I don't want to see crashes or injury's but there has to be so sort of action.


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How many NASCAR drivers have become millionaires? Imagine this, some of the NASCAR drivers speak their mind, and do not get sanctioned for it. The way I see it, it's always been the same way, there's always been plenty of fans, car owners and drivers who presume that they could've done a better job than NASCAR.
I've been following auto racing for many decades, and I've witnessed racing associations(drivers and car owners) take over, and drive racing business into the ground.
I am ssooooo thankful that NASCAR somwhow gained the power to "rule with an iron fist". What do you expect, that every single race is going to be a blockbuster? If you do, THAT IS UNREALISTIC!
I'm thankful that millions of fans, all over the world, will tune in to the next NASCAR Cup Race. And, there will be thousands of fans in the grandstands.
My own expectation is that there's always a chance that the next race will be better.


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I'm glad that Ryan is ok. Interesting that the cage came down into the driver cockpit like that, but not surprising I guess given the massive hit it took when the car slammed down squarely on the dash end of the roof hoop of the cage. The fact that the rear of his car landed on Harvicks front end on its way down didn't help matters either, it just added more leverage to the impact.

I suspect Martin had much more he wanted to say in his post race interview but kept it in check.

People say they want close side-by-side action and in the same breath say they hate restrictor plate racing. People say let the cars be more like stock or at least allow them to be more different from one another, yet they want side-by-side, lots of passing action.

I believe the more liberal the rule book, ultimately the more disparate the racing is, and the less the FANS like it. It often results in one or two cars running away from the field and the rest running around in a mostly single line for much of the day. The cars pretty much placed in said line according the speed/handling/capability of the car, which is often dictated by the size of the owners pocket book.

One of the reasons the 'racing' is so close (relatively speaking) is because Nascar has engineered it that way via the rule book as the series has grown. Nascars success over the recent years cannot be denied, their business model has worked very well so far. It is amazing the number of different winners that this series has over the course of a given season, and the razor thin margin that separates the front runners from the back of the pack.

So what is it that we want? A more liberal rule book, with differing cars resulting in more strung out racing with less passing and one or two dominant players? Or a tightly controlled series that manufactures side-by-side action, frequent passing, and multiple winners?

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I gave up on Nascar a few years ago. What a joke of an organization. They are a perfect example of the old saying " don't fix it if it ain't broke". Bring back Winston and the old points system.


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javaseuf wrote:

I never see this BS in Open Wheel racing!!

Or any other racing.


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LindaAnn wrote:

downtheroad wrote:

Big NASCAR fan here....but - I'm starting to loose the love.
Ryan Newman's post CRASH interview was very interesting..He slammed nascar for:
  • restrictor plates
  • yellow line rules
  • no bump drafting rules

He says it is creating boring racing for the fans and drivers.
Not a good race today,



We were watching that race today and Ryan Newman's CRASH, and interview afterward. He really said it like it was, didn't he?!!
Yup, and he'll probably get fined for telling the truth, just like they did Tony Stewart, when he told them what they didn't want to hear, of course they came up with some other BS reason.

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seabeecamper wrote:

I gave up on Nascar a few years ago. What a joke of an organization. They are a perfect example of the old saying " don't fix it if it ain't broke". Bring back Winston and the old points system.

Same here, sent back my permanent reserved seats, they took a system that might have needed a minor tweek, and tried to reinvent the wheel, all they had to do was give 10 bonus points for winning a race, & it all would have worked it's self out.
They claim to have initiated the restrictor plate, to slow the cars, in the name of safety, when they already knew that there were better ways to slow the cars, that still alowed for passing & better racing.
Before the plates, you had maybe two cars wreck together, & the rest went on their way, now you have wrecks involving 20 cars at a time because they're all stuck nose to tail, yeah,I see the safety in that.

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Yeah I've watched NASCAR since the '50s. Their new clone car (COT) is boring from a old fan standpoint. I liked the racing better with factory participation and racing was about the vehicle instead of the driver. Every year cars would elvove. Not anymore. Like Stewart says send some No doze.

Bump drafting is a part of NASCAR. Always has. More so with restrictor plate racing. The big problem is a car that is in the lead in the outside line say. The inside line gets a run going and the first place car sees them comming. He drops down in front of them at 188 mph and their doing 193 mph just like Kyle Busch trying to block or stay in front of Stewert a few races back. Dumb move.

They can drop restrictor plate racing and go with shorter race track programs.

More fender rubbin' short track racin'. Maybe even a couple of dirt track races.


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