sunsetway
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rolnhome wrote:
Lots of unanswered questions.
The season here is April through November. 8 months. As far as "free" rent, yeah utilities are covered and we have a place to live, but IMO it's to the owner's advantage not ours. They wanted us to live onsite so we agreed, we don't necessarily view it as a perk. We have no privacy, the phone is always ringing, and during peak season we never get a break because we live onsite IN THE OFFICE. So like I said, I don't really view it as a plus, but more as a negative. If I had to guess, given the area we live in, the house we're living in is worth about 400-500 a month tops. It's a VERY old house and it has it's issues.
That being said, I'm aware managers need to be onsite, but having no time or privacy to yourself can drive you nuts. We may request living offsite in our negotiations, even if it means a bit of expense to us, just to save our sanity.
We are currently looking at a good deal on a house in the area, and are 90% sure we are going to buy it either way, because we don't plan on staying here for more than another season (if we decide to stay) so we'll have a little leverage there (having another place to stay). There are also plenty of jobs in the area, so we don't NEED this job to survive. This should all work to our advantage in negotiating, but our problem right now is coming up with a figure that's fair for everyone involved. We're not trying to steal the owners blind, we just want what we are worth....And it would be hard going by an hourly rate when you're basically always working....Don't any other managers get paid salary? I understand workcampers getting hourly rates, but I just don't think that works for managers living onsite.
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deandec
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Sunsetway, it certainly sounds like you are not wholly dependent on the manager jobs for your needs. That makes your wage increase request much easier.
You and your employer have different views of the values of the job. Identify your salary needs, sell the employer on the value of keeping you engaged at the higher price, or move on.
What the industry provides as normal practice is not much of a basis for the salary request or higher hourly pay or year round salary. The employer's response might fit one or more of the following: Our market is different - there's not enough cash available from the business - the free housing is worth a lot more than you think it is - I can find someone else - we've always done it this way.
You must convince this owner that you guys are his best alternative at your higher price. That means selling him/her on your capabilities and income producing enhancements you provided as managers of the RV park.
Just my opinion as a former manager of managers for way too many years.
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We are headed to south Texas for the winter. Our resumes were rewarded today with a great opportunity. New campground with 100 50 AMP full hook-ups, 60 30AMP full hook-ups. The place is gated with store and laundry. They say the park is 75% reserved out for the winter. We will oversee the cleaning crew and operate the store/office from December 1st through March 1st. Free full hookup 50AMP, owner furnished cellphone. Wages are $15.00 per hour 6 hours @day in office but 24 hour on call. We will receive a "fulfillment" bonus at the end of the season.
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Ultralife
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Sunsetway: There is no one that can really answer your question directly however Deandec does a nice job.
A couple of other questions and comments. How active are the owners? Are they active participants or just tell you what to do and deposit the money? Do you set or discuss any of the following with the owners: rates, hours the office is open, plan the operating budget, decide the need and expenditures for maintenance and capital improvements? If the answer is no, then you are workampers with a few perks besides the moneys paid.
If you are both working 8 months @ $15,000 even working 40 hours a week you are making less than $6.00 per hour.
There is no "hard evidence". It is determined by what ever the market will beare, kinda supply vs. demand. State your case and be prepared to move on.
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sunsetway
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Ultralife wrote:If the answer is no, then you are workampers with a few perks besides the moneys paid.
The answer is yes. Not sure how much it changes things.....
The owners usually ask US what needs to be done, and discuss any major issues before making decisions. And there are just a few little things they want done "their way" but other than that it's up to us to determine what needs to be done and how to do it. We run the campground, basically.
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Ultralife
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OK, that is a clue that perhaps they need you more than you need them. Set office hours just like any other business. Make sure you rates are current. Look at any effective advertising to raise revenue/occupancy so you can get a workamper and have some weekends off.
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Beachinforever
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I am currently being paid $ 23/hour for 50 hour workweek. No overtime. Fullfillment bonus semi-annual. Site/utilities/gator vehicle furnished. I oversee 4 fulltime/2 parttime, however I don't walk around gripping about my duties and who needs who the most. I started at 9/hr 2 years ago. I'm on call 24/7. Rarely called on because I have my staff properly trained. Sounds like you are ready for some new scenery.
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sunsetway
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Beachinforever wrote:I am currently being paid $ 23/hour for 50 hour workweek. No overtime. Fullfillment bonus semi-annual. Site/utilities/gator vehicle furnished. I oversee 4 fulltime/2 parttime, however I don't walk around gripping about my duties and who needs who the most. I started at 9/hr 2 years ago. I'm on call 24/7. Rarely called on because I have my staff properly trained. Sounds like you are ready for some new scenery.
I wouldn't be gripping either if we had 6 employees to help us.
Did you even read the whole thread? It's got nothing to do with the "scenery" and everything to do with work overload stress. We either need to be paid more, or we need FULLTIME people to help us. I'd prefer the later, actually.
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Sunset, you asked for opinions and Beach gave you his. You do sound stressed and maybe it is time for a change.
We have also been in management and gone thru what both you and Beach have, and Beach is giving good advice. Perhaps management positions are not for you.
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Beachinforever
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Good luck.
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