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RE: WARNING!! Don't Try To Stop At This Walmart
Not all Wallylands are like that. The one in West Memphis has the hanging bars too. There is a way in at the far end of their parking lot. But to get into their main lot you have to go thru the bars. My 5er cleared them in 2 different places with no problems. They are fine with RV's staying overnite, but due to the high truck traffic area where several interstates come together they had a problem with trucks using it as a truck stop. They do not want trucks in the customer lot but RV's were ok according to the security guard who showed me where to park.
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 08:59pm |
Roads and Routes
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RE: Known overweight failures
Here is how I see it...
Someone comes on these forums and says they bought trailer X and are going to pull it with truck Y. Or worse yet they ask if they can pull trailer X with truck Y.
At that point 14 weight police jump in and state that if you load trailer X to its capacity and fill truck Y up with wives,kids,fuel, etc. that the weights exceed whatever is posted in the door jamb and one of the following is going to happen:
a) you will be "caught" in some jurisdiction and fined
b) you will cause an accident and be sued for all your worth
c) your truck will fail and you will be sorry.
The problem is that when one asks the weight police for examples of a,b or c they can't produce them. At that point they roboticly revert to doing calculations involving the door sticker and repeat consequences a,b and c. Even though we don't have any examples of a,b and c.
If one asks said weight police what they drive/pull, one will inevitably find they drive truck Y+1 or Y+2 and that when they previously owned truck Y it was totally inadequate.
The argument gets worse when one starts to analyze what the differences are between truck Y and Y+1. A new type of person emerges which I will call the door sticker police.
Sticker police maintain that no matter what is done to a truck it is rated by its sticker. The sticker is God. It doesn't answer to common sense, it doesn't understand physics, it just is. It is to be worshiped, obeyed and revered. The sticker is all knowing. It applies to all loads, to all situations and to every truck.
Thus if one compares truck Y with truck Y+1 at the parts level, upgrading the parts in truck Y does not make it as capable as truck Y+1. Why ? Because ! Somebody put a sticker on truck Y and that is what it is, period. To them you can't make truck Y into truck Y+1. You have to buy a Y+1 truck to have a Y+1 truck. Because they said so. Period. End of story.
And according to the sticker police, if you upgrade truck Y to truck Y+1 you will not only suffer consequences a,b and c, but you are a fool. And again when we ask the sticker police for example of this they can't produce any. And when we try to reason with them they revert back to worshiping the sticker.
Thus there are those of us that believe in science and there are those of us that believe in the sticker.
Peace to all.
Very well stated :B
Steelpony; that's the part of my post I really agonized over sounding too condescending and maybe should have gone with something akin to chocolat lab vs golden retriever instead!
I just can;t help thinking we're just a heartbeat away from arguing over which is more manly ooops, I mean capable; a red truck or a blue truck for heaven's sake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi84maqHgxg
LOL
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 11:10am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
Ok here are the cases so far listed
After a tow to Sparks and $1300 later I figured out that I was towing too much even though I thought I was within the truck's rating.
Towed it with a gas 454 so yeah it would over work the tranny
Jamestn, I'm not having any issues with my current 2500, but, when I was towing with a 1/2 ton (smaller 5'er) I had my transmission overheat and vent onto the exhaust and my truck caught fire
probably didnt have a tranny cooler.
We were pulling a 2004 Montana 36 foot, (nose to end) with a diesel 3/4 ton. Was not good in mountains. Would get down to about 20 MPH on a steep upgrade. When we traded Montana, we also traded for a bigger diesel truck for a heavier 5th wheel.
Nothing to do with being overloaded more to do with the wrong rears or just underpowered
Well, my first situation wasn't a truck, but a 1969 Ford station wagon
Self explantory
The dept bought a bunch of Ford C8000 cab & chassis and had them built up into fire engines. The were decent commercial chassis, but the department loaded them over GVWR. The result was that once a year we had to rebuild the suspensions. That was roughly every 5-8,000 miles we had to replace the spring shackle pins and re-arc or replace the springs. I think we had 8 of those Fords & I'll guess that I rebuilt the suspensions on them about 30+ times before any of them hit 100,000 miles.
This one kills me cause this was a very common chassis used by dept's all over the country including mine. Ours was still in service the day I left after 20 years of service with very few problems. It's very hard to get a fire truck to hit 100,000 miles even in a rural dept.
All these could be attributed to just mechical break down. Or yes some could have just been over worked. But is this all there is? No broken frames no parts falling off and no one got killed by an overloaded rig. It kind of answers the OP's question.
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 10:27am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: New to 5th wheel towing.
Weight wise you will be fine. I have never driven a 6.0 so I don't know what kind of power they have, but can't imagine Chevy putting a wussey gas engine in a 3/4 ton truck that is rated to tow 12400 lbs so it should be good. I would think with the 4.10's and 6 speed it may be fine if you don't load too heavy. You will still be 1-2000 lbs under your tow rating. If it was much heavier then I would say yeah a diesel would be better only cause you say you're gonna do cross country.
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 09:46am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Rear Tire Pressure for TV
Ditto but we don't get snow so it is more for the ride when empty I run them at 55. You have to go by the tire rating and not the door jamb rating when towing. Fronts stay at 60 since they don't get a lot of weight put on them even towing.
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 09:06am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Known overweight failures
Give it a rest already, the two trucks are but a sliver of daylight apart in any real world measurement of capabilities. You're arguing over whether your poodle is able to carry more if it has a full trim or the Lion haircut! Good grief!
LOL I love it LOL --Never thought of my truck as a poodle lol. But hey my truck is suppose to be cute so I guess it could be a poodle. :B
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steelpony5555
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03/20/10 09:01am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
There we go again trying to justify your truck just cause you are voicing an opionion or in this case fact. that don't agree with the experts. lol. WE NEED MORE CRAYONS IN HERE. LOL
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steelpony5555
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03/19/10 03:58pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
Get a kick out of folks saying there is little or no difference between a 3/4 ton amd 1 ton truck then go one to list all the differences and never mention pin weight of the camper.
This is the kind of stuff I am talkin about, ALL the differences. Get out your crayons class. There are 3 differences, ok 7 if you count each one separate. There are 2 leaf springs ea side, 2 chrome 3500 or F-350 badges ea fender and 1 white sticker. Or maybe you are counting the $1000 dollars so that would make 1007 differences. On a dually you got 9 difference since you got 2 more tires. I am speakin Dodges here cause I know and have talked to Dodge mechanics that all part numbers are the same. The exact same axles, tire, rear, gears, trannies, frames, brakes etc. So I guess when you say ALL those differences then yeah I guess there are 1007 of them.
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steelpony5555
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03/19/10 03:03pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
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steelpony5555 wrote:
You lost me on this one. Language ??
Not surprised I lost you on that one - you're pretty defensive and ready to jump.
I didn't call you short, nor did I say you used "language". I simply compared your defensiveness to that of a short person in a crowd after you felt compelled to slam the 1-ton owners.
It seems to be a commonality with some 3/4 ton owners to continuously defend themselves using part numbers or whatever else they can to become something they are not - often without being asked.
I personally don't give a rat what you tow or with what you tow. There is only one reliable resource to determine the tow rating of a truck and that is the trucks tow rating....period. The truck was engineered to meet that rating, and your backyard mechanical justification is nothing beyond a GUESS.
When someone goes shopping for a truck, I would by far recommend they look at the tow rating first before they listen to your hoopla about how you created your own "1-ton" or before they try to use stress failure history as an indicator of whether or not it is OK to ignore the sticker.
No, not defensive, just fed up being told I can't tow my trailer with my truck. Even though it is in limits. Ok close then. All you guys claim a 12000 lb trailer is too much for a 3/4 ton. You guys try to twist stuff around and use the GVW to put a guy over. Well my GVW is 14500 lbs but I am no where it and most people are the same. The real Hoopala comes when some guy buying a 9000 lb trailer is told he can't tow it with his 3/4 truck. That kind of info is total bs. I don't really care what people think about my rig, but don't make fun of guys who are within limits or a little over just cause they're towing what 1 tons do. It is sort of like you can do it but since we didn't pay the extra for the 3 on the side of our trucks we aren't allowed. And anything heavier then a popup puts us over our payload limit. Most of you guys are not worried about safety. It just the my trucks bigger then your truck attitude and how dare you try to get in our club with a little truck. It is also where you guys think you are the only experts and the only ones allowed to voice an opinion. When one of us voices our opinions then it's we are defensive and trying to get justification. I do not attack the owners of 1 tons, but I will attack their opinions. Unlike a lot of posts from 1 ton owners which have called us stupid, ignorant, dumb, oh and short lol. Go back and look hard, I have not call anyone a name. But I did exaggerate and make fun of their claims. Why? cause they are so lame. So I will respond when someone makes these lame excuses on why we need 1 tons and how dumb we are for even trying to tow a 5th wheel. I'm sorry you can't grasp the fact that most of these trucks are exactly the same as a 1 ton except for that little white sticker. Even if we did get the parts from J C Whitney. When someone asks for proof positive of all these bad things that you say happen, all we get are vague responses and the "I had a 1975 Chevy" stuff. Then the name calling starts, why cause there is no proof. Sorry, but your frame is not made out of special steel, and your brakes are not titanium. So yes, I know Dodges are exactly the same trucks, except for the 2 leafs, a chrome 3500 on the fender and a little white sticker. So until someone shows me that the part numbers are not the same I will take it as fact. Facts usually win. Lol, I know you guys are working them search engines hard just trying to find a link, any link.
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steelpony5555
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03/19/10 01:49pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
I didn't even have to look at this signature to know this guy has a 3/4 ton. Kind of like the worst language always comes from the short guy.
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You lost me on this one. Language ?? well I didn't swear or cuss so can't be that kind of language. Uh this is a forum and not a college English class, so I apologize if my grammar and spelling aren't up to your standards. Been to college and can write correctly if I wanted to. At this point in my life I just don't really care to. I do speak English which I realize is getting to be a novelty in this country anymore so can't be that. So you'll have to explain my bad language. As far as being short, LMAO, well that one is really funny. Why? Cause my nickname was Grizz at one time. So you struck out there too. Yes I got a 3/4 ton and it's beefed up to a 1 ton with Super Springs. We just get a little tired of guys saying how stupid we are for towing heavy with a 3/4 ton. All we hear is how we are gonna get arrested in Canada, or how our brakes can't stop our trailers or how we are outa control or how we will get sued if we do have an accident. Now the OP has asked and it has been asked on other posts, for real, not opinions, but real life examples of truck failure or accidents etc. Hmmmmm hasn't happened yet. If there were, then links would be all over this forum of accidents and court cases, cause you guys would beat it to death. Yeah there are those here and there examples. But according to a lot of guys, the roadways should be littered with truck parts. Hasn't happened. Why? cause they are basicly the same trucks and ya'll can't grasp that. That little sticker don't mean squat to anyone but the truck manufactor. Now if you are grossly overloaded yeah they will use that to try and hang you in court. But most 2 axle 5ers can and are being towed by 3/4 trucks. Face it 3/4 tons probably outnumber 1 tons 2 to 1 on the hwys. It just gets a little silly when some of ya'll tell some poor schmuck he can't tow a 9000 lb 5er with a 2500. There are several posts on here right now on that very same subject.
Short, LOL LOL LOL. Oh, by the way, my 5th wheel weighs 12000 lbs and I am within all my limits.
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steelpony5555
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03/19/10 11:21am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Name the one thing you don't carry...
Relatives
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steelpony5555
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03/19/10 08:16am |
Truck Campers
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RE: Known overweight failures
Sorry me2, but gotta side with Bruce. The MDT guys usually aren't the finger pointers. It is usually the 1 ton guys. The my door sticker says I can tow more then your sticker does crowd. Same truck just different door stickers and usually just 2 springs, which most of us upgraded with air bags or super springs etc. But unless your door sticker says 1 ton you are gonna kill people or your truck will burst in to flames or at the very least Canadian mounties are gonna kick in your door and arrest you. I can understand their frustration after paying a couple hundred dollars extra for that door sticker. You can't wear out a 3/4 ton any faster then a 1 ton, they got the same drive train. Unless that white door sticker can beef up your tranny, not gonna happen.
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steelpony5555
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03/18/10 08:47pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Known overweight failures
I once loaded my 1976 pickup so full of asphalt that the springs inverted and the front tires would lift off of the ground on bumps. I drove about 50 miles (very slowly) like that. After I unloaded the asphalt the springs came back, the tires were back on the ground and the truck drove for another 100,000 miles with no problems. Those old trucks are tough.
Reminds me of something my son did. I had a load of bricks to move and my son thought he would help me. He took my 2000 Dodge 1/2 ton and figured he could do it in one trip. He neatly stacked bricks in my truck up to the side rails. Said he had to put air in the tires cause the rims were close to touching the ground and the front wheels wouldn't stay on the ground. Wife hurried up and helped him unload them before I got to see it. Truck was fine and had it for several years. Still towed cars and campers cross country with no problems.
As they say young and dumb.
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steelpony5555
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03/18/10 09:11am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: rv show prices
Show prices are bogus. You should be able to get that unit anytime for the supposed show price if not less. Dealers will not sell a unit at a loss, so they are making money at the show price. They just want to act like they are doing you a favor or giving you a special deal that no one else gets.
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steelpony5555
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03/18/10 08:59am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Am I ok?
You will be more then fine. No way are you gonna exceed the trucks limits with that trailer. Mine weighs 12000 lbs with a pin weight of 2300 lbs and is withing it's limits. So even at the broshures stated 1400 lb pin weight I highly doubt you will be able to load it to 2000 lbs. Quit worrying in and go practice towing it to get used to the size and turning radius.
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steelpony5555
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03/18/10 08:33am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: First 5th wheel- What things will I need to get started?
For chocks you might want to try these-----
wheel chocks
Not only are they solid for chocking the wheel but they will stop a lot of the trailer movement you are gonna get with a 5th wheel while it's parked.
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steelpony5555
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03/18/10 08:25am |
Full-time RVing
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RE: This is our Delivery Weekend, and the forecast says:
Snow, rain, wind dont matter should be fine. Six inches of snow should no affect your slide. If you're worried bout it get a broom and step ladder and push it off when it's done. I would think they should deliver your TT still winterized, so don't hook up the water just yet. That's not that cold so you should be warm enuf. Hit up Wallyland and get an electric heater if you don't already have one. Saves on propane.
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steelpony5555
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03/17/10 09:30pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: OH NO SNAKES, the California Desert, my bunnies,& me!
I heard mongooses like bunnies too.
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steelpony5555
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03/17/10 09:23pm |
RV Pet Stop
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RE: OH NO SNAKES, the California Desert, my bunnies,& me!
Me thinks he was pulling your leg.
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steelpony5555
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03/17/10 08:49pm |
RV Pet Stop
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RE: fifth wheel prices
Seems like the big thing now days is to put the factory price on one and then say it's on sale. I been looking at an Open Range and the MSRP is 55 something, the dealers automaticallly drop to anywhere from 42 to 45 for it. Just can't go by the list price and try to figure how much lower you can get them. You got to ask what do you sell it for then go from there.
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steelpony5555
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03/17/10 08:46pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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