ol Bombero-JC
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If you have little dogs you must be a - "Boy Scout" !!
*Be Prepared* - for "whatever".
When I walk my three Paps (on leash, of course), I have my "club" in my back pocket & belt loop.
But - 3 small dogs means I have my hands full - so, I try to have "a plan" wherever I'm walking for a safe "retreat" spot - where I can put up a defense and "go to work" if necessary.
In the "old days" - a kid's squirt gun with water/ammonia mix was a nice deterrent.
And - "it" can happen to big dogs too. I was in the Vet's the other day. Guy in there with a very friendly black lab. Dog had a shaved patch on it's side, with about 6" of stitches.
Owner said he was throwing the ball at the park w/ his dog.
Two large (equal size) dogs attacked his dog - while a third smaller one slipped in for a "flank attack" while the lab was distracted with the big dogs. Of course, the owner of the 3 dogs (and his dogs) disappeared.
One last - I'm a retired F/F. Many, many times I was called to somebody's home for an emergency - and fido is loose. He (or she) doesn't like strangers in his house - and especially strangers in uniforms.
("Oh . . . he/she is very friendly" - yeah right!)
Of course, you try to get someone in the house to put the dog in a different room, out in the yard, whatever.
Before using the mace - I learned long ago (from a delivery guy) to
try - "Get your ball". Sometimes it worked - sometimes it didn't.
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Chemgoddess1
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FXSTOHIO wrote:...learned a long time ago that owners always have an excuse about their dog getting loose.
So an honest mistake never cuts it is your book? And you are going to tell me that you have NEVER had a dog get loose on you before, right?? 
Case in point, I was watching a dog for the weekend and I happened to be camping that weekend. Xena LOVES to run and I know this. I stop the motorhome and get out to go check in. I exited through the driver's side door just because it is easier than trying to get by her and out the side door. Just as I was about to enter the building to check in I saw a bolt of white. She had jumped on the door just right, hitting the handle and opening the door. Now mind you the door is a good 4-5 feet off the ground....did not phase her one bit.
But of course, I always have an excuse.
And seriously...where in the world do you people camp/live? In 40+ years on this planet I have never had a loose dog "attack" me. And I live in a community that has not outlawed "hazardous" breeds.
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ol Bombero-JC
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Chemgoddess1 -
I worked in what is claimed to be (one of) the most "dog friendly" cities in the USA - even has a one mile "dog beach", LOL!
Your "case in point" story above - demonstrates exactly *OPPOSITE* - of what you say in conclusion.
I've been "on this planet" for 68 years - and it has happened before.
You don't have to be "attacked" to be "in fear" of being attacked!
Case in point. Very upscale neighborhood.
My Fire Company was sent on a call of kids being "attacked" by two Pit Bulls. The attack hadn't happened (yet) - but the pit bulls wouldn't allow the kids to walk past the yard (they had got out of) to go home from school. A neighbor saw the "event" taking place and called.
Those pit bulls didn't like us any better than the kids.
We actually gave the kids a "fire apparatus ride" home (for all our safety) - then waited for animal control.
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Another "case in point".
Dispatched to a "dog bite" call. Two guys working in their garage, at their home with serious dog bites. (One needed lots of stitches).
Event: A pit bull was loose in the neighborhood - they had seen it wander by previously. The home owner had a female Golden - which was in the garage also. Mr. PB decided he wanted to meet the Golden - which the owner didn't think was a good idea. Dog *ATTACKED* both men in the garage - when the owner was putting his dog in the yard via a side door.
Mr. PB went over a 6' wall to get in the backyard with the Golden -
fortunately nothing bad happened to the Golden.
After the PD arrived, "we" (except the guys we sent to the hosp) waited for Animal Control - PB still in the backyard!
When the Animal Control went into the back yard - having seen the bite victims - the PD Officer followed along "unholstered" - but it turned out OK. Dog captured by a savy Animal Control officer.
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Chemgoddess1 wrote:
And seriously...where in the world do you people camp/live?
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A number of years ago, I was walking my shepard, on a leash in a state park campground in Georgia. A loose poodle ran down an attacked my shepard, who grabbed the poodle and shook him real good a couple of times. When the poodle ran yelping back to his camper, the owners ran out and threatened to sue me for my dog attacking theirs. I told them let's go aheahd and call the ranger, my dog was on a leash and their dog was running loose in violation of park rules. That pretty much put an end to it.
Oh, something I've read lately that might work is to carry wasp spray. It works as good as mace, will blind the offender until an antidote is applied, will shoot 20 - 30 feet, and it's legal to carry anywhere.
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I know that every dog owner, who walks their dog in public areas, has to be very mindful of the possibility of being attacked by a loose and aggressive dog! What do we do? How do we respond? And, what repercussions are we subject to? 
I have a fellow member, on our Cocker Forum, who had her Cocker and herself attacked in her Veterinarian’s office. It is a very sad story as her Cocker did not survive and she was injured. Where else should we feel protected, but in our Vet’s office?
I have asked a lot of questions here and I have no answers to these questions. Kevin walks one dog at a time mainly for his convenience and for their safety. He has been attacked and chased by a loose/aggressive dog on more than one occasion. He and Moonbeam were attacked by a Pit Bull in a State Campground. He had to swing Moonbeam, up in the air, and around by her leash to keep her out of the jaws of that Pit Bull! A Female Ranger was very near by and started to pull out her gun. Kevin told her not to shoot and eventually the owner’s Wife subdued their dog by tackling it.
I have asked Kevin to carry a piece of driftwood for protection, but most of the time he leaves it in the coach. So, the idea of a collapsible baton was beginning to sound good to me. So, I just looked up the legality of carrying a collapsible baton in my State of California. Here is the result shown in this quote: "They are rarely banned specifically by name in law, though some jurisdictions such as California have general prohibitions against the carrying of all "club" weapons by non-law enforcement". Guess that would include this piece of driftwood, though an excuse could be made fairly easily, I believe. Maybe not totally believable, but feasible. 
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HIDEOUT wrote:I have a fellow member, on our Cocker Forum, who had her Cocker and herself attacked in her Veterinarian’s office. It is a very sad story as her Cocker did not survive and she was injured. Where else should we feel protected, but in our Vet’s office?
It happens, I'm glad I've never had any serious incidents. But figure your dogs are in a closed in space, heightened anxiety and everybody (dogs and people) has a stress level through the roof. Perfect situation for "misplaced aggression."
Come to think of it, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often.
I've had many more incidents of loose dog confrontations around our home than camping. They are always frightening situations.
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I know at times drastic measures must be taken against an attacking dog, but it is to bad it couldn't just be used against the dog's owner. There is where the problem is. That is why I tried to use just the minimum amount of force to defend my dog (a Golden) for other dogs when he was attacked by loose running dogs in a campground.
Luckily both times this occurred, a walking stick did the trick without serious injury to the errant dogs. It wasn't their fault, it was the owner's.
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I've seen people, WITHOUT a dog, walking our huge park while carrying a golf club, umbrella or baseball bat. I don't know where they came from before they moved here, but this is in no way a rough neighborhood. In eight years of walking this park daily, we have never seen anything but a dog/dog situation that would warrant that degree of protection and probably not even then, in my opinion. It seems to me that carrying a weapon may very well trigger aggression in a dog, as it reminds them of those evil meter readers. It takes all kinds...
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dturm wrote:HIDEOUT wrote:I have a fellow member, on our Cocker Forum, who had her Cocker and herself attacked in her Veterinarian’s office. It is a very sad story as her Cocker did not survive and she was injured. Where else should we feel protected, but in our Vet’s office?
It happens, I'm glad I've never had any serious incidents. But figure your dogs are in a closed in space, heightened anxiety and everybody (dogs and people) has a stress level through the roof. Perfect situation for "misplaced aggression."
Come to think of it, I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often.
I've had many more incidents of loose dog confrontations around our home than camping. They are always frightening situations.
Doug, DVM
Hi Dr. Doug,
A very good point.  Before I read you statement, I was thinking "Where was that Veterinarian's Staff? Why didn't they stop the fight before it got so deadly? I suppose that it all happened so fast that no one had time to react and the Cocker's owner did not go into that type of detail while relaying her story to me. And, I did not ask of course.
This Cocker owner had one more big decision that she has made regarding taking her dogs to the Vet. Although she has two Cocker's and only had the one on that particular day, she only takes one at a time to the Veterinarian's office now.
Thanks for your reply and your comments.
Regards,
Dawn
PS: We don’t walk our dogs near our home because there are two big and scary dogs up the street from us. Also, we have our “safe” back yard for "duty" trips. While camping, we are forced to walk the dogs, unfortunately...
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