kedanie
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Our rig ran just fine for 2.5 years and about 7000 miles. Then all 4 went bad in one 600 mile roundtrip. Tread separations.
Keith
Keith, Gloria & Charlie(Spoiled Rotten Boston Terrier)
2005 Ford F350 CC DRW 4X4 PSD Auto
2007 Everest 295TS
2008 Honda Goldwing
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Mile High
Lone Tree, CO
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For that extra measure of confidence, replace them with a USA made tire. I don't think Mission is any better or worse than any other Chinese junk, you just hear about them a lot because they were so popular on RVs before they (Mission) took their money and ran leaving the import company hanging with all the warranty commitments. I'm sure they have resurfaced with new names as effectively as most sub-prime mortgage companies.
I've had tire trouble with all my China made tires, ST and LT. It seems even US brand tires suffer the same bad rap when they make the decision to seek overseas manufacturing for thier own brand name, such as Goodyear Marathon and even the G614! Both are now made back in the USA.
Brad & Dory
2006 Ford F350 4X4 SB CC SRW Powerstroke 6.0
2007 Montana 3400RL 5th Wheel Our Rig - Our Mods
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SuperdutyII
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Mile High,
I agree that most if not all Chinese tires have had problems. But having several years of experience getting products manufactured in China at extremely high quality standards it would be my guess is the US purchaser isn't setting the design and manufacturing standards properly. And qualifying and testing the products to make sure they do meet those standards. My guess would be they are supplying the purchase specifications to the Chinese manufacturers and assuming the Chinese manufacturers are meeting those specifications. Not properly qualifying the products. It doesn't work that way, especially when there are severe cost pressures. The RV is built using lowest cost bidders (suppliers) components. Not all are apparently living up to acceptable quality standards but it still is the RV Manufacturers responsibilty to make sure they are. The qaulity level is determined by what mangement defines as acceptable. No design requirements, no vender qualification or incoming inspection? Garbage in, Garbage out.
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richfaa
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Good post superduty11. As usual we are quick to point the finger of blame without any understanding of the problem. It is the same old problem.. The manufacturer is purchasing low quality items. We are purchasing low quality items and somehow that is China's fault. The purchaser shares in the responsibility and perhaps has the biggest influence on the manufacturer demanding higher quality. Instead of complaining about junk.......don't buy it....
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Chris
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There are some high quality builders like NuWa that will not stick their customers with low quality tires. The NuWa CEO Mike Mitchell is active on their forum and took one of my "understanding tire posts" and copied it to his forum. Of note, he seems to stay away from ST tires.
If we could just get other manufactures to follow his lead, then we would not be reading all these tire threads.
The simple fact is that just about all the current ST offerings do not standup very well to heavy use on a trailer that is going to see America! These ST tires were not conceived to be pounded across a highway day after day.
Chris
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2001.5 2500 STD CAB AUTO SLT 4x4, CTD 4:10's, Bomb'd to Tow
2005 Cardinal 29WBLX.
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Mile High
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richfaa wrote:Good post superduty11. As usual we are quick to point the finger of blame without any understanding of the problem. It is the same old problem.. The manufacturer is purchasing low quality items. We are purchasing low quality items and somehow that is China's fault. The purchaser shares in the responsibility and perhaps has the biggest influence on the manufacturer demanding higher quality. Instead of complaining about junk.......don't buy it.... As usual, you speak without comprehension of what you read - I never said I blame China at all! They are only taking advantage of the opportunity we give them. The China tires are still Junk, regardless of what you think the background is. I wasn't trying to take this beyond the OP's question.
You and your bandwagon should stick to defending Lippert.
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richfaa
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Ye Gads Brad..You must have a huge guilt complex..I was not even remotely referring to anything you said. "Good post superduty11" I was referring to a post made by Superduty ll.. As for comprehension I do not defend Lippert or any manufacturer or vendor. I just prefer data backed up up by fact and knowledge of the subject. The manufacturer buys low quality China products..We buy low quality China products. Low quality is low quality no matter who or where it is made. SuperdutyII post shows a excellent "Comprehension" of the issue and I agreed with that... China makes high quality products, including tires (look it up)...we buy the low quality stuff and assume no responsibiity for doing so.... Lippert BTW is another thread....
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SlickWillie
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So, who produces the most low quality junk.....the USA or China? You buy something labeled "made in China", chances are it is junk. Pet food, toothpaste, kids toys (lead paint), sheetrock; any of that ring a bell? Not only junk, but toxic! Oh, and I didn't even include tires.
On a good note: I read where China is gearing up to ship more of their junk tires to Europe since BHO put a tariff on the Chinese bombs. Perhaps there is hope after all.
BTW, I also blame Keystone for the junk Missions on the fiver. Of course, they say they have no responsibility for the tires. They'll never get another dime of mine.
Will
2004 GMC EXT/C D/A 2500HD 4X4
2006 Montana Mountaineer 303RLD
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richfaa
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Unfortunatly there is not much of anything made in the USA anymore so the chances for low quality from other countries is high.
How is it China's or any other countries fault that not much of anything is made here anymore. USA companies contract out to other contries and spec out "junk" as you say and the Other Countries provide it.. Who's fault is that.
Misson and other brand China tires were OEM on many brand Rv's.. We purchased them...who's fault is that.
probably 90/95% of everything around you is NOT made in USA..If you have it....who's fault is that. Don't buy it....Buy only things made in USA. There are several sites that list Made in USA...look them up..If you are not buying USA. only....who's fault is that???? No..don't look it up..it may be to much effort.....I will do it for you
http://www.madeinusa.org/
http://www.americansworking.com/
http://stillmadeinusa.com/
There it is..You have no excuse..
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SlickWillie
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Who said it was China's fault we outsource so much stuff? I didn't mention any other country producing junk. Look at the Maxxis tires; I understand they are made in Taiwan. They get good reviews. Japan manufactures good tires. France makes the Michelins; very good tires. I read that Goodyear had the Marathons manufactured to their specs in China, and they still were bombs. Taiwan also produces a lot of good electronics.
I can assure you, my dealings with the Missions and Keystone's lack of concern has made me more "buy made in the USA" conscious. I also realize that some things are just not available made in the USA. So, in that case, I'll go with anything except "made in China", or Citgo (Hugo Chavez).
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