LindsayRichards
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I have a great buy for the greenie's to have instead of an RV which is about the least green vechile a true treehugger would have. It also gets a $7500 taxcredit from you and me also.
http://wheego.net/index.html
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Fezziwig
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In the San Jose area gas prices are wobbling around the $2.85 - $3.05 area for some time now. Seems pretty stable. Looking at EIA (DOE) figures it looks like the last 30 years have been priced about the same, adjusted for inflation.
How do people account for this stability? Perhaps the Chinese, while demanding more of the world supply of oil, also will not pay above an affordable price (inflexible demand price), which stabilizes world oil prices since oil is fungible. Thus, oil producers while seeing increased demand have to pump it out at the low price because they'd rather make some profit at high yield rather than try to squeeze markets for higher profits.
So, as a consumer the USA benefits. That accords with colonial history: one is much better off being a consumer of raw materials than a producer. In fact, that has been the main principle of US oil policy since WW2. That's why we shifted our consumption to foreign oil: we consume cheap foreign oil while holding our own supply in reserve.
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LindsayRichards
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Quote:That's why we shifted our consumption to foreign oil: we consume cheap foreign oil while holding our own supply in reserve.
Oil is up to $80/bbl and as the world recession is starting to ease and demand goes back up from the 81 million bbl/day to the previous level of 86 million bbl/day, the supply/demand gap will increase prices. Most knowledgable experts are predicting this. Once again the politicians afraid of the treehugers, keep our country from utilizing it's natural resources.
The report from the US Senate linked below details how we have the most fossil fuel reerves on the earth.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?F........_id=f7bd7b77-ba50-48c2-a635-220d7cf8c519
The link below details where we stand on aternative energy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33585078/ns/us_news-environment/http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33585078/ns/us_news-environment/
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Fezziwig
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Nevertheless, that has obviously been US policy since 1945. Otherwise we would have exhausted our own oil before looking abroad for oil. And we would be in a worse position, by far, than we are today. We would have to pay extortionate prices or go to war for oil.
So it's been our policy, and it has served us well.
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LindsayRichards
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Please show me how you know it has been our policy to not use our natural resources since 1945. A link to a nontreehugger website would be good.
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Character is action. The policy we have actively pursued since 1945 is to go all over the world seeking oil and exploiting foreign oil fields. We did it with commerce rather than with armies, like the old-time colonialists.
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Bumpyroad
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Of course the big oil companies in the US would not sit on their oil reserves at $80 bbl and use foreign oil until their stockpile goes up to $280bbl. what are you thinking?
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If the USA had followed the "drill baby drill" idea for the last 60 years we'd be busted! All our US oil reserves would be depleted, all our current oil would be imported, and we'd be at the mercy of foreigners!
And hooray for the treehuggers! They saved many of the hunting fields and fishing streams of my youth from destruction, and am I GLAD! I know that my favorite fishing river would be choked in paper mill waste if it weren't for treehuggers stopping it.
I guess Lindsay was deprived of hunting and fishing trips with Dad when he was a kid. How sad. Hunting and fishing is a lot more fun than driving a ten ton truck with 8 foot tires down the freeway.
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LindsayRichards
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Of course, this statement is totally false and you can not prove it. We have more oil reserves in shale oil that the earth has used since beginning the fossil fuel era. We are also loaded with natural gas and have hundreds of years supply of coal. Anybody making your statement is totally misinformed or just trying to fool other uninformed folks. You tree huggers are also preventing the building of alternative fuel sources. You might want to look at the terms of service of this board before you keep talking about my dead father. You only rely on personal attacks because you have no facts. Just admit you are wrong, apologize and move on.
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Bumpyroad
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LindsayRichards wrote: We have more oil reserves in shale oil that the earth has used since beginning the fossil fuel era. .
what is the $$$ per bbl of oil derived from shale? are there any ecological issues with mining it and disposing with the remains?
bumpy
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